The differences between civilian and military Big 4 combinations were
much more pronounced than with the 16H/WD16H.
Because the military Big 4 combinations were conceived at a later stage
than the WD16H,
they were slightly more modern, for instance by utilizing the enclosed
valves as also seen on the civilian motorcycles (16H and Big 4) from
1938 onwards.
As they
were provided with a driven sidecar wheel, it required some very obvious modifications of
the frame. There is no controversy whatsoever to determine the origine
of a military
Big 4 frame.
The pre war civilian Big 4 frames were identical to civilian 16H
frames.
The frame front end including the saddle and tank tube was similar to the the
16H. Behind that the changes can be found at the rear axle mounting and
the lefthand side upper chain stay. The lefthand upper chain stay
was provided with a bracket to mount the sidecar wheel dog clutch
engagement lever.
The forward bolt on rear upper sub frame,
to which the saddles and pillion passenger hand grip was mounted,
required an additonal fixing onto the top saddle tube casting.
Saddle studs were not required anymore.
The castings holding the rear wheel axle were modified to carry the
wheel bearings and has an additional hole to mount the vertical rear
subframe stay.
Here a
list giving a number of details differences between civil and military
bikes between 1936 and 1947. This is not definitive and probably not
complete but based on the best information available to me at the
moment.
The military details variations page shows the variations found on
military motorcycles only. At the bottom some details of military
origine.
PART |
1936 |
1937 |
1938 |
1939 |
1940 -1942 |
1946 |
Rubber cushioned handlebar
clamp introduced in 1935 |
C |
C |
M C |
M C |
M |
- |
1 inch handlebars |
C |
- |
M |
M |
M *11 |
? |
7/8th inch handlebar |
- |
C |
C |
C |
- |
- |
Open valve cover
|
C |
C |
M |
M |
M |
- |
Enclosed valves |
- |
- |
M C |
M C |
M |
C |
Oil tell tale |
C |
C |
- |
- |
M |
- |
No oil tell tale |
- |
- |
M C |
M C |
- |
C |
Front brake plate left
hand side *1 |
C |
C |
M C |
M |
M |
- |
Front brake plate right
hand side *1 |
- |
- |
- |
C |
- |
C *2 |
19" wheels *5 |
C |
C |
C |
C |
- |
C |
18" wheels *5 |
- |
- |
M |
M |
M |
- |
Front fork standard width *3 |
C |
C |
C |
C |
- |
- |
Front fork extra wide *3 |
- |
- |
M |
M |
M |
- |
Front Mudguard standard width *3a |
C |
C |
C |
C |
- |
C *4 |
Front mudguard extra wide
*3a |
- |
- |
M |
M |
M |
- |
Standard front fork spring
*6 |
C |
C |
C |
C |
- |
C |
Stronger front fork spring
*6 |
- |
- |
M |
M |
M |
- |
Saddle spring studs
vertical |
C |
C |
- |
- |
- |
- |
Saddle spring studs
horizontal |
- |
- |
C |
C |
- |
C |
No saddle spring studs
*7 |
- |
- |
- |
M |
M |
- |
Gear position indicator
small *13 |
C |
C |
M C |
M C |
M |
- |
Gear position indicator
large |
- |
- |
- |
- |
M |
- |
Gear change lever straight *14 |
M C |
MC |
- |
- |
- |
- |
Gear change lever hooked down *14 |
- |
- |
MC |
MC |
MC |
C |
Dolls head gear change mechanism |
MC |
MC |
MC |
MC |
MC |
- |
Enclosed gear change mechanism |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
C |
Nut front fork shock
absorber |
- |
- |
M |
M |
M |
- |
Handwheel front fork shock
absorber |
C |
C |
C |
C |
- |
C |
Footrest tubes welded to
engine plates |
C |
C |
C |
C |
- |
- |
Footrest tubes
interchangeable |
- |
- |
M |
M |
M |
- |
Serrated foot hanger long |
C |
C |
C |
C |
- |
C |
Serrated foot hanger short |
- |
- |
M |
M |
M |
- |
Rubber cushioned footrests |
C |
C |
M C |
M C |
- |
C |
Rear brake pedal short |
C |
C |
C |
C |
- |
C |
Rear brake pedal long |
- |
- |
M |
M |
M |
- |
Semi-loop (Diamond) frame |
C |
C |
M C |
M C |
M |
- |
Cradle frame |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
C |
Oil tank standard pre war *8 |
C |
C |
C |
C |
- |
C*9 |
Oil tank increased capacity |
- |
- |
M |
M |
M |
- |
Petrol tank overhead valve engine cut-out |
C |
C |
C |
C |
- |
C |
Petrol tank with cut out
at right hand side over sparkplug only |
- |
- |
M |
M |
M |
- |
Silencer 1935 model |
C |
C |
M |
M C |
M |
C |
Silencer 1938 (Cows udder) |
- |
- |
C |
- |
- |
- |
Toolbox wide |
- |
- |
M |
M |
M |
- |
Toolbox narrow |
C |
C |
C |
C |
- |
C*10 |
Single rear numberplate top fixing bolt |
C |
- |
- |
- |
- |
- |
Two rear numberplate top fixing bolts |
- |
C |
M C |
M C |
- *12 |
C |
Tyre inflator under petrol
tank |
M C |
M C |
M C? |
M |
M |
- |
Tyre inflator on rear
chain guard |
- |
- |
C? |
C |
- |
C |
Notes:
*1 Different
front fork to accommodate righthand brake plate reaction arm,
*2 Telescopic Roadholder front forks, brake plate on right hand side.
*3 Civil Big 4 utilised same front fork as the civil and
military 16H. Military fork widened to accommodate wider tyres.
*3a Civil Big 4 utilised the same front mudguard as the 16H. Military
Big 4 front mudguards were wider to accomodate the 18” x 4" knobbly
tires,
*4 Mudguard changed to fit Telescopic Roadholder front
forks.
*5 Military Big 4 hubs are not interchangeable with military WD16H or
civil Big 4/16H because they only have provisions to hold one wheel
bearing, at the right hand side,
*6 It used a heavier/stronger fork spring to cater for the added
sidecar weight. Prewar civil 16H and Big 4s, and the WD16H all used the
same fork spring,
*7 The saddle springs were mounted to horizontal studs on the rear sub
frame.
*8 Standard oil tank used on civil 16H and Big 4.
*9 Not clear, might have been prewar civilian design.
*10 In 1947 a completely new design toolbox was introduced.
*11 Spare part number change change after contract C8631, not known what
changed.
*12 No rear numberplates after 1940.
*13 Gear change lever (hooked) clinch bolt fitting from bottom in
combination with small indicator,
top fixing on hooked gear change
levers in combination with the long indicator.
Based on: 1937, 1939, 1940 and 1946 spareparts
lists,
1938 and 1939 Norton Catalogues,
1938, prototype pictures
1938 to 1943 military motorcycle pictures
The military details variations page shows the variations found on
military motorcycle combinations. At the bottom some details of military
origine.
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